This Election's Most Influential, Fair Question - New Canadian Media

This Election’s Most Influential, Fair Question

Quebec’s Bill 21 and Bill 96 have been strongly condemned for discriminating against religious and ethnic minorities in that province. But all of that has been overshadowed by the English-language debate moderator’s pointed question to Bloc Quebecois Leader Yves-Francois Blanchet, writes John Miller.

The most influential question of the federal election campaign was hardly noticed in the rest of Canada, but it certainly was in Quebec. The question, in my opinion, focused on a legitimate election issue and was fairly expressed.

The question, asked by moderator Shachi Kurl at last Thursday’s English-language election debate, was tough but fair. It reflected concerns of some racialized groups and others over controversial legislation passed by the Quebec National Assembly to reassert the rights of French culture and language in the province.

The exchange between her and Bloc Quebecois leader Yves-François Blanchet quickly inspired outrage across Quebec. Premier François Legault demanded an apology from the media consortium that organized the debate. A cartoon was published showing a crude caricature of Kurl tarring Francophone Quebecers as racists (the only non-racists are Anglophones, the cartoon suggests). And the National Assembly, in a rare moment of accord, unanimously adopted a resolution condemning the “hostile trial launched against the Quebec nation during the anglophone televised debate of Sept. 9, 2021.”

The heated reaction arguably made it one of the hottest of hot button issues in the province in the run-up to next Monday’s federal vote. Perhaps that’s why Conservative Leader Erin O’Toole and Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau leapt to the defence of Quebec immediately after the debate: Trudeau called Kurl’s question “offensive,” O’Toole called it “unfair,” and both leaders issued statements asserting that Quebecers are not racist.

Kurl, a former award-winning journalist and current president of the Angus Reid Institute, set off the storm when she asked Blanchet: “You denied that Quebec has problems with racism, yet you defend legislation such as Bills 96 and 21, which marginalize religious minorities, anglophones and allophones. Quebec is recognized as a distinct society, but for those outside the province, please help them understand why your party also supports these discriminatory laws.”

“The question seems to imply the answer you want,” Blanchet replied. “Those laws are not about discrimination. They are about the values of Quebec.”

Kurl asked Blanchet more than once why he supports what she called “discriminatory laws.”

“You may repeat as many times as you like that those are discriminatory laws,” Blanchet said. “We are saying that those are legitimate laws that apply on Quebec territory, and there seems to be people around here which share this point of view.”

Both pieces of legislation certainly are controversial and have not been debated openly by federal party leaders until now. Quebec’s Bill 21 bans some civil servants, including teachers and police officers, from wearing religious symbols at work. This has been most controversial among Sikh and Muslim Quebecers, who face expulsion from government work if they wear turbans or hijabs.

Bill 96 significantly toughens Quebec’s French-language laws and includes strict provisions to enforce the speaking of French in the private sector.

Quebec’s highest court ruled earlier this year that Bill 21 violates the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, but any legal challenge on those grounds has been blocked by Quebec’s invocation of the notwithstanding clause.

Amazingly, Kurl’s question immediately had an effect on the federal election campaign in Quebec. Over the weekend, Polly’s projections for the Bloc Québécois seat count jumped from 22 to 38. After languishing behind the Liberals in Quebec for much of election campaign, the Bloc was suddenly leading the province’s popular vote and had an outside shot at becoming the third-largest party in the 44th Parliament.

Kurl declined to answer questions I put to her by email, saying: “I cannot say anything until after the election.” In her only interview after the debate with BNN Bloomberg, she was questioned about issues in Quebec but not at all about her question.

It’s clear federal leaders who condemned Kurl for her question did so with an eye on their electoral chances in Quebec. Trudeau said: “As a Quebecer, I found that question really offensive. I think, yes, there is lots of work to do to continue to fight systemic racism across the country and in every part of this country. But I don’t think that question was acceptable or appropriate…I had a hard time processing [it] even last night.”

While he said he opposes the Quebec legislation, he added that “it is wrong to suggest that Quebecers are racist.”

Kurl’s question, however, did not do that. 

Conservative Leader Erin O’Toole, meanwhile, said: “Quebecers are not racist and it’s unfair to make that sweeping categorization. They’ve made decisions and laws passed by their national assembly,” which he said he would respect.

Both NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh and Green party leader Annamie Paul stopped short of criticizing Kurl’s question and said it’s a mistake to think systemic racism is isolated to one province or territory. Paul went so far as to agree with the premise of the question.

“With respect to Bill 21, I’ve always been clear in saying that I believe it to be discriminatory legislation,” Paul said. This is a law that is a violation of fundamental rights and freedom of expression, as well as freedom of religion, and it’s not because I’m saying that I don’t like Quebec.”

Quebec Premier François Legault, who not so long ago declared that his province did not suffer from systemic discrimination, demanded an apology from the broadcast consortium that organized the debate, saying Kurl’s question was an “attack for sure against Quebec.”

In a statement Friday evening, the Debate Broadcast Group said Kurl’s question on the bills “was asked to give Mr. Blanchet an opportunity to explain his party’s view of these bills, both of which have been widely reported on and discussed since they were introduced in the Quebec National Assembly.

“The question addressed these bills explicitly; it did not state that Quebecers are racist,” said the group’s spokesman, Leon Mar. 

That is my view exactly. The only offence anyone should reasonably take from Kurl’s question is that Blanchet, quite demonstrably, failed to answer the gist of it: why does his party support two laws that have been ruled discriminatory?


Disclosure: The writer, John Miller, serves on New Canadian Media’s advisory council with Shachi Kurl.

About the author

John Gordon Miller has been an award-winning reporter, a senior news executive, chair of a journalism school, an author, a teacher, a researcher and a consultant.

He was professor of journalism at Ryerson for 23 years, and now is professor emeritus. That followed a 20-year career as an editor and reporter. Most of it was spent at the Toronto Star, where he was foreign editor, founding editor of the Sunday Star, weekend editor, deputy managing editor, and acting managing editor.

4 Replies to “This Election’s Most Influential, Fair Question”

  1. Dear M. Miller!

    As a moderator, it was not her role to throw this type of loader question. We’re she talking on behalf of Canadians? ( 75% of Canadians don’t agree with this hijab. 75% of Canadians are racism? ) And by saying Quebec has a problem with racism? Really? That sound like an attack from a small «  woke » group in Toronto cause I don’t think that Canadians think that Québécois are racist.

    But I’m happy cause we didn’t need a politician or a religion group to know that we aren’t fit together. Two cultures, two different way of thinking. Let’s stay friends but we are better on our own….and You too!

  2. Let me preface this by saying I am Québécoise from Montreal, that I disagree with both the bill and that I strongly believe the modern Quebec separatist movement is about white Christian nationalism.

    That being said, that question did insult me and so did your article. Quebec culture and values are completely different from the rest Canada and should be valued as such. As someone who is completely bilingual, I am all the more aware of the violence and hatred when people are Quebec bashing without knowing a francophone is around and it’s proof enough that Canada does have a huge racism problem.

    I’ll leave you on with this small history lesson : when the KKK came to Canada, their main agenda was to persecute Quebecois people and other French Canadians into remaining second-class citizens. They have past legislation at the federal government that discredits Quebec high school and several university diplomas in other provinces that are still enacted TO THIS VERY DAY so people from Quebec would have a harder time finding work with benefits. In the 1980s, prime minister Pierre Trudeau (yes, proud Quebecois Justin’s father!) raised the taxes of any foreign company with factories or headquarters in Quebec as retaliation for electing a separatist government, which cost tens of thousands jobs and a massive dip in our economy for which we were ridiculed and lambasted. If that wasn’t enough, he also excluded the province from the signature of the Canadian constitution. Go check it out ; we’re not recognized as Canadians according to the Canadian constitution because Canada does not like us for speaking French. So yeah. When Canada calls us “racist” because we are trying to protect our language, culture and traditions (and before anyone comes at me with this : historically Quebec was WAY more respectful and inclusive of First Nation people and many of our traditions are closely tied to theirs, even though in recent history many Quebecois have forgotten to whom we owe our identity and culture and have been increasingly racist and selfish towards indigenous communities), it should take a good hard look at itself, because you should really learn to ride a poney before getting on a high horse.

    Ps. Telling people do deny their cultural identity and assimilate is the definition of colonialism, so if someone has the audacity to say “just stop being Catholic and learn English,” considering Quebecois people are officially recognized as genetic group and nation, congratulations, you have by definition identified yourself as racist. How are you better than those bills you’re mad about?? That’s their goal!

  3. With respect, the question did not allege that Quebecers are racist. It did not attack Quebec at all. It merely asked Mr. Blanchet why he supported that legislation. which had already been ruled discriminatory by a court in Quebec.

  4. First, i’m from Québec too and im still shocked about this question. I doesnt like Bill 21 but i can understand where that Bill come from and exchange my comment in respect.

    Let have a example with another province: Mr. O’Toole, you deny albertain homophobia problem, but you are for discriminatory Bill 8…

    What will happen? Albertain will throw me rock and for good reason.

    Why you are still protecting this bas question. It could have been a great one but not ask like that. We can exchange in respect on a y bill but not like that…

    Please stop protecting Miss Kurl question. It was a really bad one, lack of judgement and respect.

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